How The Railways Came To Hastings book

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Peter Ellingworth… Photo taken in 1956, after delivering a large transformer to the Ore power station sidings. I would assume they are heading back to be serviced/turned at the former West Marina steam shed. The front loco, class Q1, was a wartime austerity design shorn of any niceties with regard to appearance having been designed by Oliver Bulleid, and were very powerful and versatile machines lasting until 1966, used on both freight and passenger work capable of working up to 75mph. 33024 in the photo was, from records just checked, based at Tonbridge shed (code plate 74D) which can be just made out on the base of the smokehouse. St. Leonards was 74E. The second loco looks like a Wainwright C class , built 1900-1908 and which remained in service until the early ’60’s. I remember seeing them at Warrior Square. I believe the semaphore signals in the background are still there ? As is of course, the signal box. The old bridge can just be made out in behind the steam lifting from the safety valves of the ‘C’ class.

The Hastings Tramways Company 1899 – 1959 by Cliff Mewett

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Peter Ellingworth… The last trolley bus photo is in Beaufort Road Silverhill, coming into the depot. Photo by Lyndon Rowe.

Jim Breeds… RIP Cliff. He was the Man from the Pru for my parents insurance policies when I was young.

Peter Ellingworth… This was taken around noon-early afternoon on Monday 1st June 1959, after the ceremonial last run along with ‘Happy Harold’ for the great and the good of Hastings Council, M&D, and invited others. I think ‘H H’ returned either shortly before or afterwards. The last public service t- bus was I believe a no.8 from Bexhill which turned from Beaufort Rd. into the depot around 11pm the night before. Shortly after the photo was taken the power was switched off, and so ended a much liked by the locals and highly regarded within the bus industry undertaking. M&D having taken complete control of the system in Sept-Oct 1957 wanted rid of the t-buses by Oct 1958 latest, but issues with the then novel Atlantean diesel bus replacements gave a stay of execution until May 31st 1959. The former single decker trolleybus seen in use as a ticket office by the Town Hall needs no further introduction! Hastings HGS educated Cliff Mewett’s book which Alan took a photo of is an excellent and well researched read.

Nigel Livermore… I remember going to the depot to take a photo of them before they were scrapped, and being asked if I wanted to buy one (jokingly, as I was 14, and didn’t think that my pocket money would stretch far enough……)

Peter Ellingworth… Nigel, I well remember as a small kid tearfully walking past the yard at Silverhill, seeing all the redundant t-buses stacked up either for disposal (1940 batch), or to be sold on for service (1946 batch) with other undertakings (Maidstone, Walsall, Wolverhampton and Bradford ) where they gave excellent service until those systems closed between 1967-72. No 34 in the photo, now superbly restored to running order at the East Anglia Transport Museum near Lowestoft, ran in Maidstone until 1967. Interesting to speculate given different circumstances how long the Hastings system would have gone on for : certainly until the mid to mid sixties I would have thought, although some re routing such as one way working in the likes of the High St. or the then soon to be made Bourne would have been done.

Schools Class Locos Hastings-London trains via Tonbridge 1958 by Peter Ellingworth

Salisbury Station

missing from the article… “deliberation and regret of not being able to find a suitable undercover site within the city boundary by Oct. 1961, the council had to let it go. The last regular Schools working before the change to diesels was reported in The Hastings Observer of Sat. June 14th 1958 (see below) when ‘Leatherhead’ worked the 7.30 p.m. slow to Charing Cross, crewed by driver Jim Burnett and fireman Ed Coffey. There is a photo of them looking out of the cab before departure  (see below) overseen by Inspector Harry Daisey who, incidentally, was a next door but one neighbour of ours. As we know, steam of various classes worked around Hastings until 1964-5, the last being, if memory serves me right an LCGB special in June ? 1965.”

Peter Ellingworth… Thought you might be interested in an article I wrote for The Maunsell News, a magazine for members of The Maunsell Locomotive Society based at The Bluebell Railway. The article is about the Schools Class Locos handling the Hastings-London trains via Tonbridge, that were a part of the Hastings scene from the early 1930’s until the late fifties-early sixties. The first photo is at Salisbury not Hastings. Built in mind with the width restrictions of the Hastings to Tonbridge direct route, they did sterling work until diesels took over as well as outstanding performances on the main South Western route out of London Waterloo, and the South Eastern to East Kent. The Bluebell Line has ‘Stowe’ no 28 of the class, currently undergoing overhaul by them and the MLS. Ten or so were shedded at the former St. Leonards ( West Marina) depot.

Jane Hartley… I remember standing on Warrior Square bridge watching the trains coming through.

Peter Ellingworth… Likewise- my parents when first married lived in Southwater Road, so it was just down the road for me…. I think 30923 ‘Bradfield’, being renamed incidentally from the original ‘Uppingham’ because of objections from their Headmaster, also put in an appearance during March-April 1962 as I vaguely remember seeing an original single -chimneyed ‘Schools’ on the aforementioned parcels trains. Some of them such as ‘Malvern’ & ‘Ardingly’ were fitted with the wider squat chimneys when modified by Oliver Bulleid with mulitiple jet blastpipe exhausts, such as on the lead photo outside Salisbury station but following initial trials (after as such seen in the photo) with a much more visually pleasing squatter lipped chimney- plenty of photos online if you wish to look. The three locos mentioned home depot at the time was Brighton, but I believe moved around being stabled overnight at Tonbridge and or possibly London Bricklayers Arms/Stuarts Lane from time to time. They were an amazing design, but all were withdrawn or scrapped by the end of Dec ’62, mainly for accountancy purposes : had this not happened I did hear that an intention was to move some north to work the Liverpool- Manchester trains until the end of steam in 1968. Three are preserved : ‘Cheltenham’ property of the NRM York, ‘Repton’ on the NYMR, and ‘Stowe’ at the Bluebell Railway, which is being restored to running condition again.  And ‘King’s Canterbury’ – well almost ! ‘Tonbridge’ and ‘Marlborough’ were I think other almosts, but I believe the potential purchasers ( ‘Tonbridge’ by one of the schoolmasters) objected to BR’s stipulation that a binding condition of sale was not further resale should they want. Other steam visitors of note  to Hastings I remember seeing in ’62 mostly on through trains from the Midlands/North West, were the former LBSCR ‘K’ class which took the trains over at the southern end .
Another very capable and versatile  design, again scrapped for accountancy purposes in Dec ’62. The Bluebell Railway very much wanted to buy one, but at the time was using all its available finances to purchase the line from BR itself.

Old Hastings tramway/trolleybus pole finial.

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Peter Ellingworth… a former finial from the old tramway/trolleybus and latterly lamp posts that were, until some years ago, a common sight around Hastings & Bexhill. I believe this particular one came from the start of Bohemia Rd (Silverhill end). There is still one remaining at the top end of the High St. and also a couple in Silverhill bus depot visible from the road. A bit heavy ( around 15-20 kg) for a paper weight ! I bought this off Hastings Corporation for the princely sum of £1 when they had a blitz on their removal, due to an EEC ruling that lamp posts and such had to be impact friendly, which the old standards, some of whom had old tram rail inserted and filled with concrete to strengthen them were most certainly not!

Nigel Kennard… Merv Kennard and I were reminiscing recently about a picture of the Hastings Tramway Company staff from around 1910. It showed all of the employees at the tramways works, including our very young looking Grandfather, Albert Eldridge.

Peter Ellingworth… Nigel, I think I’ve seen the photo, is it in the late, lamented and most respected local historian David Padgham’s book published in 2005 regarding the centenary of the Hastings Tramway system ? ( I will have look when I find my copy). I bought it as a present for my late Mother (nee Boniface), when she was in a nursing home and I think she was related to D P. I remember speaking to him on the ‘phone congratulating him on this book when it first came out, but sadly and most regretfully didn’t take up his offer of visiting him again on one of my Hastings visits before he passed on. When the trolleybuses finished in May-June 1959, I remember David telling me he rescued all the original Hastings Tramways records and documents literally minutes before they were going to be part of a bonfire after a clear out at the depot in Beaufort Road !( He worked for M&D). When he passed on I think they went to the Sussex Records Office in Lewes? , then latterly last I heard some of them at least to the custodians of Hastings Museum. Was your Grandfather also driver of the last trolleybus ceremonial farewell on Monday 1st June ’59? Again when time allows I’ll check as I’ve got the photo from The Observer somewhere. An excellent read including a lot about the Hastings Trams is included in Robert J. Harley’s book “Trams and Trolleybuses in Hastings, St. Leonards and Bexhill.” Another one for a pictorial history of the T-buses is “Hastings Trolleybuses” by Lyndon W Rowe ( Middleton Press). Lyndon was a Hastings man, although he lived away from the town for a lot of his life and worked for London Transport. I’ve often wondered how long the Hastings trolleybus system would have gone on for had M&D decided not to terminate it in 1959. Mid-sixties, maybe. Given that once London finished in 1962 ( the original intention was to keep the Hounslow, Isleworth, Dittons and Kingston routes going until the mid ’70’s as this would have seen the life out of the then newish t-buses) it was no longer viable for the likes of BICC to make components so the other systems remaining carried on until Bradford finished in 1972.

I’ve just found my copy of David Padgham’s excellent Hastings Tramways book, pages 40-47 entitled ‘Staff and Conditions” has some interesting staff photos so your Grandfather may well be among those. My own Grandfather who was a local postman, is on the group photo of them all on a tram after it was either en-route, or had just arrived, at the cemetery for the funeral of a colleague in 1906. All looking very stern in the Victorian way. You should be able to purchase a copy through the normal outlets, I will try to remember and bring mine along at the next coffee meet on 30th June.

Nigel Kennard… Peter thanks for that insight. I am unsure how long Grand dad Albert worked at the Tramway Company, but he had certainly left by 1914 as he went to war in the early months of World War One. After the war he went to work in St Albans for Marconi. So he didnt return to the Tramway Company.

Peter Ellingworth… Nigel, Continuing part two of a sort out earlier today, I came across another most interesting book -this one by ex-Hastings Grammar School pupil and local historian Cilff Mewett, entitled ” The Hastings Tramways Company 1899-1959, An Illustrated Social H⁸istory ” which also includes in considerable depth the legal and council shenanigans during both when trams were proposed for the town, and well during their operation followed latterly by the trolleybuses. Nigel/Merve- one snippet I read on page 72 which may interest you is, and I quote, from the book ” At 8.15pm on March 13th 1929, the last tram clanked its way from the Cemetery round the Ridge, over Harrow Bridge and down Sedlescombe Rd.9 North to the depot, crewed by Motorman Algy Byworth and Conductor Bill Eldridge ” ( Your Grandfather) !

Peter Ellingworth… Nigel, That’s interesting, living now next to St Albans, I well remember Marconi as a major employer of the locality. Quite a few St Albans people can trace their immediate roots back to Hastings, as many migrated there for work, and also some stayed on after WW2 as St. Albans was one of the main places of evacuation including schools from Hastings. According to Cliff Mewit’s book your Grandfather worked the last tram in March 1929, but you say he didn’t return to HTW employment after WW 1 demob, presumably around 1919?

Pulpit Gate All Saints Street Hastings

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Peter’s father Roy Ellingworth did the woodwork on the building

Peter Houghton… Great picture

Tracy Birrell… My daydream home for 65 years. I have many photos of me swooning outside.

Peter Ellingworth… If I remember correctly, my late father worked on this including woodwork for the roof when it was being renovated in the 50’s early ’60’s, as there was a lot of dry rot amd I think the residue of some wartime damage. My parents noticed the house on a postcard while back on holiday in Hastings – my father’s reaction was more one of bemusement, as to him at the time it was just another dollar, another day, another job. Remember this was before the Old Town came into fashion the way it is now. He also did a lot of work on the then 1964 ? new Lifeboat House, and got on well with the Old Towners to the extent of being invited to the Winkle Club, one of the few non Old Towners that was as far as I know. He also missed the gas explosion in 1963 ? that destroyed some property at the Hastings end of George Street by about twenty minutes- half hour as he was on a job nearby. He didn’t get too fazed by this – like many of his generation he had plenty of near misses in WW2 !