SMART coffee meet report no 76

The coming storm didn’t deter and we had a good turn out for our 76th meet at the White Rock Hotel. Among the newbies this time were Colin and Yvonne Mitchell. Colin was involved in many album covers, including Pink Floyd and The Beatles. Mo Elms had some Splash FM licence application forms and Eastbourne local radio 101.6 fm guide which included photos of Mark Briggs and Matthew Wheeler. Mo also had many photos of Radio Caroline, Mi Amigo and RNI Radio North Sea. Anthony ‘Nan’ Morland had a copy of The Beatles Please Please Me album with the brown and gold label, a Fracmo photo, another Collins and Hayes photo and a Steve Wright photo from the Radio One road show in Eastbourne. Merv Kennard had some Radio Essex, K.I.N.G Radio Invicta and Radio London badges and The One Shots Goodbye Caroline single and Radio Veronica 538 single. We have seen Ian Marketis impressive Freddie Mercury range before but this time he arrived with a bag full of Queen cd’s. Mick Thwaites had a copy of his sons autograph of Paul McCartney from The Monastery in Rye. He also had ‘Sticky Fingers’ cafe menu from Kensington and Bill Wyman’s matches! A bundle of Rolling Stones magazines, Rolling Stones 1976 tour programme and a ‘Lucky Stars’ magazine from ABC Television’s ‘Thank You Lucky Stars’ and a Froffy Coffee at The Pam Dor poster. Barry French was getting very festive and had with him Phil Spector’s Christmas Album, John Denver and The Muppets A Christmas Together and Don Estelle sings songs for Christmas LP. Pete Prescott was reminding people about the Jez Gillett tribute gig at The Carlisle on the 20th December with The Lost Boys, Stealer, Dead Calm and Vexed. I had a few more Melody Maker’s and a pile of sheet music. Pete Millington was talking about the ITT KP dance in 1975 with Ray McVay and his Orchestra and Spyke at The White Rock Pavilion. Chat was about Eric Harmer’s Christmas record, the new book by Jim McCarthy Flowers In The Rain The Move, Graham Nash coming to The White Rock Theatre, Soul Town Christmas soul party in memory of Phil Gill at The Angling Club on the 14th December, how wonderful the photos of the Bathing Pool are and our aches and pains!! This is just a small bit of what I remember. If you had anything interesting you were talking about or anything I missed out or got wrong! then please feel free to add or correct.

Claire Lonsdale… Lovely time as always. Thank you Alan for your time and effort in putting it on. Xx

Cris & Merv Kennard… Thanks Alan for organising another meeting .Always a good afternoon catching up with everyone.

Eric Harmer… Great meeting pal, you are the reason we all catch up. Thank you Alan

Keith Veness… Thank you Alan great afternoon

Monica Bane… Thanks again Alan, Always good to keep up with all the friends here. Again appreciate all the hard work you do!

Mick O’Dowd… With the forecast I wasn’t expecting such a good turn-out but I was proved wrong. Now sitting on the naughty -step!  Had a very interesting chat with Chris Gentry and Claire Lonsdale about our experiences with some of the acts that we had worked with in the 70’s on the Pier and elsewhere. Some great memories rekindled. As usual there were a lot of people to chat to. None of this could happen without the hard work and organisation of Alan Esdaile. Thanks a million Alan!!

Richard Burks… I probably had those copies on melody maker back in the day

Andy James Long… I used to buy Melody Maker, N.M.E and Sounds every week at one time, usually scouring for articles about John Martyn probably!

Carrie Downing-Waite Sawatzky… Sounds an amazing get together

Mick O’Dowd… Carrie, you are always welcome to join us! We meet approx every 6 weeks so next one should be in January. We’d love to meet you.

Peter Houghton… Phil Spector’s Christmas is a great Album I’ve still got this Album with two different covers

Pete Fisher… Great you kept the Melody Maker’s Alan. Sadly I had to ditch all mine when I left home in 1973. Do you have any from 1970/1971?

Alan Esdaile… Hi Pete, they belong to Andy Knight and have had a few on display at the SMART meetings.

 

 

 

SMART coffee meet report 71

SMART coffee meet report number 71

Wow! Wonderful! Jam packed turn out for our 71 meet and first off, I must apologise for not getting time to speak to half the people! 

Among the newbies this time were Alan Harding, Yukiko and Kazuhiro Hanai, Joan Fenner, Baz and Jane Cooper,  Diane Crouch, Sam Dook, Jim McCarthy and Brian Crowhurst. Alan was talking about when he worked for Vox and designed the amps for The Beatles and many others. He also had some of his wonderful photos of trolls woodland creatures and windmills. Yukiko and Kazuhiro (Rommy). He plays guitar for Japanese rock group ‘Ivory Gate’ and had flown in from Tokyo to see Robert Plant, they were made most welcome by everyone. Joan was chatting about here happy memories of 60’s and 70’s Hastings and especially the Fiesta coffee bar. Baz who plays keyboards with Dowliners Sect was talking about his new recordings and working with ‘The Rebels’. Diane was chatting about her memories of jazz in the caves. Sam was looking for anyone with a connection with working at Ponswood Industrial Estate. He’s interested in stories and memories as he’s working on making a radio show with the Parchment Trust charity. If you can help contact sam@lifesize.org.uk or the website lifesize.org.uk which is a music and arts community group. Jim was talking about the music books he has written and seeing if anyone could add anymore last minute information about ‘The Move’ as his book is due to be published shortly. Brian was talking about the exciting times, when he worked for United Artists records and EMI. 

Roger Ferris was talking about his compositions and the track he has just posted on You Tube by Glo Macari called Part Of Your Heart. Kerry Watling had with her cd’s of Barry Dransfield and Mike Wells, Chris Stovold had with him a collection of Nick Drake CD’s and book, Dave Jenkins had his George Hatcher Band records and autograph, Mick O’Dowd had cd’s of Radio Caroline 70’s flashbacks and We Love The Pirates with hits and Radio London jingles. Jackie Hersee had a list with dates of all the groups she saw in Hastings in 1965 and 1966 at the pier and Witch Doctor. John Busbirdge had a pile of Beatles records, Anthony ‘Nan’ Morland had a dvd of him documenting the Hastings Pier fire of 2010. Peter Ellingworth had a book of Trams and Trolleybuses by Robert Harley, Merv Kennard had a Blue Peter badge and more collectable pirate radio recordings and books, Cris Kennard had a Britex record needles tin, Linda Boiling had a photo of her YZ bubble gum machine, Ian Marketis had ‘The Solo Collection book of Freddie Mercury that included the cd’s and Pete Prescott had a pile of albums and the Bexhill hop photos and was talking about his new group ‘Stealer’.  This is just a small bit of what I remember. If you had anything interesting you were talking about or anything I missed out or got wrong! then please feel free to add or correct.

Claire Lonsdale… It was great as usual Alan, but what an amazing turn out despite the weather. Thanks Alan for all your hard work xx

Pete Prescott… We had a great time !

Wendy Weaver… Thanks Alan. A good turnout

Cris and Merv Kennard… As usual a good afternoon catching up with everyone, thank you Alan for organising.

Colin Bell… Merv, Good to see you, interesting records!

David Martin… Thanks for all your hard work Alan I really enjoyed it & what a great turnout

Mick O’Dowd… Agree entirely. Wasn’t expecting so many because of the weather but I think it must have been a near record turnout. Not often you can rub shoulders and talk to a guy that was an recording engineer at Abbey Road on the Beatle tracks. That is one of the real beauties of these Meets is that you never know who will encounter. I was re-introduced to a young lady that was a girlfriend of a fellow DJ Simon Davis (aka Tony Kane(RIP) from 50 years ago! It’s also nice to see that we have a very diverse crowd now with growing numbers of ladies joining in. Keep going and don’t be afraid to come on your own. You are not alone! Well done to El Supremo Alan for organising!

Matt Thomas… I know there was a music merchandise wholesaler up on Ponswood

Jackie Hersee… Really interesting afternoon thank you

Roy Winchester… I was in bands with Colin and David.

Mick O’Dowd… This, to outsiders, is exactly what we get up to. Very diverse crowd of folks with a diverse group of interests and facts about our beloved town in the past. The music they witnessed when the Pier and clubs like the Witchdoctor/Cobweb at al made us one of the most important places for the big names to play. From Hendrix , The Who, The Stones and a wealth of other top names all played here. The Stones & Who several times. Hastings was an important stopover for bands. Next time give it ago and come along. You won’t be disappointed and you will be most welcome wether you have any things to show bring yourself.

Colin Bell… An excellent afternoon, great turn out & it was nice to talk to so many friends & re-connect with old friend Joan, after a mere 50 years! well done Alan, as ever, for bringing so many people together

Monica Bane… Yes Colin, Was a great turnout, So good to chat to so many! Good to see you x

Baz Cooper…It was great to finally make it along to a SMART meeting! In trying to look it up on line, to check the venue, SMART offered a site devoted to people in rehab from addictions!!! Maybe an addiction to 60s and 70s music???!!! Anyway it was great chatting to people there including my good friend Colin Tapp, who is also an old band mate and to various other interesting people, I only wish we could have stayed longer, because I would loved to have chatted to many more people there. Maybe next time!

Bob Searle… I was in bands with Stuart Moir Colin Fox and Dave Easton

Andre Martin… Well done Alan for everything to keep memories and old friends in contact. You will need to introduce a ticket in advance admission if this keeps this numbers.

Tony Davis… Sorry couldn’t make it but we had a gig at The Carlisle and the bands were arriving around 4pm. Hope to get there next time

 

SMART coffee meet report number 69

 

SMART coffee meet report number 69

Among the newbies this time were Kerry Watling, Trevor Webb, Jackie Hersee, Tom O’Brien, Jacky Scales and Paul Mulry. Kerry was talking about when she ran the shop Vinyl Countdown in George Street, Trevor mentioned that One Hastings Many Voices have their next event at Lamarina White Rock Hastings next Sunday the 5th November and performers and others are most welcome. Jackie Hersee had a photo book of the group The Town Council and an autograph book with Graham Nash, Bobby Elliot (The Hollies), The Who, Dave Clark, Mark Wynter, The Searchers, The Merseybeats and many more. Tom was talking about his recent success with Fairytale Of New York at The Stables Theatre and he is working on a new play about Liam Clancy of The Clancy Brothers. Jacky Scales was talking aboutThe Rolling Stones and had a copy of ‘Their Satanic Majesties Request’  album with the special lenticular 3D cover. Paul was talking about his love of radio and had a copy of ‘The Radio Nordsee International Story’ double LP with him. Mo Elms had some rare Capital Radio posters in mint condition featuring Kenny Everett, Roger Scott and All The Hits and More 194. Anthony ‘Nan’ Morland had a signed Acker Bilk programme from Hastings Pier in 1962 and a Bill Haley & The Comets first tour of the UK in 1957 programme. As always he had some interesting photos of Hastings Secondary Schools For Girls, Ore Village in 1962 with Les Levett ironmongers shop. Also a photo of ‘Nan’ hop picking at Eyelids Hop farm and a large photo of Ore Centre youth club from 1962. Peter Ellingworth had with him a book on Hastings Tramway Centenary 1905-2005, Hastings Trollybuses book  and a very interesting book on Hastings & St Leonards In The Front Line about the second world war bombing. Chris Stovold had a pile of 7” singles, with a number of them very collectable. Ian Marketis brought along his complete collection of Queen CD singles which have reproduced the original 7” singles. Pete Houghton had with him, some autographed posters from The Cobweb and autographed albums from Wild Turkey and The Groundhogs. This is just a small bit of what I remember. If you had anything interesting you were talking about or anything I missed out or got wrong! then please feel free to add or correct.

 

Monica Bane… Enjoyed this afternoon Alan so did my sister in-law

Claire Lonsdale… Thank you Alan , for once again, organising a lovely meeting. Great to see the guys and meet new ones, had some lovely conversations. Xx

Mick O’Dowd… Had a great time Alan. So many interesting people to talk to. Kept you very busy with all the items that were bought along. Well done!  I had that book H& St.Leonards on the front line but I lent it to someone doing research on the subject and never saw it again!

Cris & Merv Kennard… We’re back from our hols, so hopefully we will get to the next meeting.

Tony Qunta… Use to love that album!

Andy Qunta… me too, especially 2000 Light Years From Home!

Peter Ellingworth… Once again many thanks for an excellent meet up, most enjoyable

 

 

Beatles Day 16 reviews and photos and Kevin Burchett finale video

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A few photos I took on the day… (1) No Exit, (2) Mania,  (3) Iain Cobby, (4) Benjamin Davies, (5) Louise Dooris and Kate Ashton,  (6) Mick Bolton and Friends,  (7) Phil Little,  (8) Mick Bolton, (9) The Dan Large Band, (10) Harry Mousley,  (11) AutistiX,  (12) Simon Shaw, (13) Pass The Cat.

Jon McCallion… Missed Paul Dove by 10 mins, Phil Gills band was tops as normal Pete Prescott done a good job for the sixteenth time, Liane Carroll with hubs also tops, all good, Factrio went on early sad we didn’t see them. We enjoyed all that we saw.

Alan Esdaile…  Early Part of the Day – Well done to Pete Prescott for another brilliant day and with over £21,000 raised for Macmillan Cancer Support.  For the early part of the day, among the acts I saw were ‘No Exit’ opened the show on the main stage with a solid performance as always. Followed by ‘Mania‘  with Iain Cobby. A great renditioning of It Won’t Be Long and with two of the group only being 13 and 15 they worked really well together.  ‘Mick Bolton & Friends‘ always a pleasure to hear Mick play and with Phil Little & Barry Jones on board they gave an excellent version of Things We Said Today.  ‘Now and Then’ these were the stand out for me, first class acapella quartet, amazing voices. ‘Dan Large Band‘ Dan’s always passionate how he plays and you can tell he loved every minute and so did the audience.  ‘Pass The Cat’ first class musicians with a unique sound, had the audience moving to the hypnotic beats.  Caught Liane Carroll from a distance sounding amazing as always.  Among the youngsters were ‘Harry Mousley’.  This guys got lots of potential and really good. Great version of When I’m Sixty Four’. My sister Cheryl said ‘The Sound Waves Community Choir were excellent and Poppy Prescott was very good.

Anyone else got other reviews?

video by Kevin Burchett

Dan Large… Thank you Alan, really nice photo 🙂

Yvonne Cleland… Pass The Cat are a superb band

Tony Qunta… Yes they were fantastic!

Geoff Peckham… Factrio. Here we are. For those who missed Factrio downstairs, this is what we looked like. We might be playing as a foursome in a couple of months!

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Andy Qunta… Excellent!

Yvonne Cleland… I heard they were brilliant.

 

SMART 16 Report – Friday 12th December 2014

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SMART 16 Report. Sorry won’t be able to make it I’ve got a gig, I’m down with flu, weather looks bad, I got a firms do, I got to work, oh dear doesn’t look too good! How wrong was I.

Another excellent turn out and with some of the regulars unable to make it but always new people to fill the gaps. Among the newbies this time were Nick Prince and Derek Macey. Nick brought along some very rare copies of The Hastings & St Leonards Herald free newspapers from 1973. Some good cuttings in here which I will post in due course. Very interesting LP from Colin Bell ‘The magic world of Ruperts People’. With some fascinating sleeve notes that Colin wrote, from their days on Hastings Pier, which I will scan. Mick Mepham brought along some donuts which quickly disappeared and the ultra rare programme of ‘Hastings International Folk Festival’ with Tom Paxton headlining featuring various people playing all over the town including Titus, Blowzabella, The Albion Band, Jake Thackray etc. Can’t see the year anywhere but was May 22nd to 25th and think it could be mid to late seventies? I will post the cover at some stage but anyone help with the year?
Now if only I was as organised as Pete Millington. He brought along his tablet with loads of images and cuttings with many I have not seen before, watch out for these soon. Eric Cawthraw never lets us down, as had with him Jack Bruce – Songs for a Tailor LP and Killing Floor – Out of Uranus LP, as well as a Budgie gig ticket when they played Battle. Lots of other photos floating around but didn’t get to see most of them.
Usual chats about the future of the pier, Mott road crew live gig at The Carlise on the 18th Dec, how are your aches and pains, when are Factory going to play, Curzon cinema, future of local radio, is this the end of the beach concerts, what are you doing for Christmas, The Tabs reforming, Andy Gunton and The Stinger Magazine having funding to support 2 unsigned local music acts and loads more chat that I can’t remember but will once I post this! Anyone add anything to this please feel free to post.

Yvonne Cleland… Hope everyone has a great SMART meeting today. With you all in spirit ♥ xxx

Chris Meachen… Missed you, dear girl… xxx

Andre Martin… Good afternoon was had by all… well done Alan, now you can have a break for Christmas & New Year. PS I think that a quick TY to Lawrence and the staff at the WRH would be good, after all he has to put up with us making a mess in his bar once a month !!

Mick O’Dowd… Echo Andre’s words. Every Meet seems to surpass the previous one. Well done Alan!

Robert Searle…  Great write up.Looking forward to seeing more features on SMART

Jim Breeds… Is it reasonable to assume that a 4 day festival would end on a Sunday? Many do. If so, Sunday May 25th only occurred in 1975 in the ’70s. Next was in 1980.

Alan Esdaile… Friday to Monday Jim

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SMART 11 report

SMART 11 REPORT. The sun was shining and the memories were flowing. We knew a number of the regulars were on holiday or had other engagements but were presently surprise by a number of new people including Philip Meston, Nigel Ford and Steve Cooke. Andre mentioned his illustrated talk on The Happy Ballroom which takes place on Thursday 22nd May 7.30pm at the HUB on the seafront. Talking about bands that played the pier from the 50’s and 60’s and more. Anyone interested in coming along please email learning@hpcharity.co.uk or call 01424 435587. Love his regular write ups on the early pier gigs. Interesting talk with Andre & Geoff Peckham on how the old boys in traditional dance bands in the 50’s 60’s & 70’s taught the next generation of pop group members their craft. The dance bands were very often made up of nearly all freelance semi pros who provided the music scene with a rich talent. Andy Gunton is looking for information on anyone who went to the Nick Cave gig in 2004 on the pier, for a feature in the next The Stinger magazine and talking about new music, the quality of new local acts is of a constant high standard. Chris Sambrook was helping to go through a number of photo albums and trying to work out the names of the members of the band and also talk about the beach concert. Nigel Ford remindered us about the great gigs that used to take place at Battle memorial hall. Even remembering the bouncer on the door ‘Tiny’. Hopefully we will have some cuttings at some stage. Nigel’s radio show is also proving very popular on Hastings Rock. Philip Meston chatted away about the early dansette record players, still loving vinyl, happy memories of The Disc Jockey & Alan Jensen and talking about various gigs he went to. Sarah Harvey mentioned Ruff Copy playing a free gig for Hastings Rock on 24th May at The Robert De Mortain and more exciting news to be announced shortly. Chris Stovoid brought along a copy of the cd by psychedelic rock band ‘Mirage’ and talked about 13 Floor Elevators and The Misunderstood. Philip John is putting on Mott Road Crew Show in June at the Electric Palace cinema, talk and video of life on the road with Mott The Hoople, David Bowie and others. Mick Mepham came in with a massive bag of photos from the various bands he has played with over the years and a few oddities. Mick as a star player of cricket, lots of pieces on the band Magma and also odd ITV photos including Cats Eyes with Jill Gascoine & Leslie Ash! (You can catch Mick Mepham playing at The Clarence tommorow 18th May at 4.00pm). Steve Cooke talked about bands he was involved with and memories of Prom In Aid in 1986. Phil Gill was very pleased with the excellent ‘Stallion’ reunion at the recent gig at The Carlisle. and also great to see Anne join us. This is just a small percentage of what we talked about. and a great time was had by all.

Philip Meston….Enjoyed my first visit. Looking forward to the next meeting. Many thanks!

Sarah Harvey…Always a very pleasant afternoon with such lovely people. Thank you all.

Janine Anne Hemsley….Will make sure I get to the next one. I loved ‘ Tiny’. Does anyone know where he went. I think his name was Ian. ?

Tony May…..SMART continues to go from strength to strength and is bringing back many memories for so many. A SMART book has to happen surely

SMART 9 report

Another great afternoon and good to see workmen on the pier. Among the new people this time were Conan Howard who used to play in Samisen, Allen Watts who was roadie for Tich, Wesley and loads of others bands,  Chris Stovold who had some brilliant old magazine to show, including the first issue of Zig Zag magazine with Sandy Denny on the cover. Philip John had some amazing tales to tell about life on the road with Mott The Hoople and others and his books is definately a must called  ‘You Rocked, We Rolled’. With talk about the Folk Festival taking place in May, Mick Mepham unearthed the programme from the original Hastings Folk Festival with Tom Paxton headliing. Anyone remember that?  Andre Martin was talking about the success of the  BBC tv programme  The End Of The Pier Show which everyone enjoyed. Andy Gunton arrived with the new music magazine The Stinger which everyone was positive about. Phil Gill confirmed Stallion are playing The Carlisle on April 11th.  Pete Prescott with his amazing scrapbooks and leaflets for The Beatles Day 2014 which looks set to be the biggest and best. Other talk was about The Teenbeats playing The Carlisle, Peter Millington was talking about memories of Ore Youth Club. Other people in attendance were Mick O’Dowd, Geoff Peckham, Tony Qunta, Ray & Anita Medhurst, Chris Sambrook, Sarah Harvey, Ann Gill, Jon McCallion & Yvonne Cleland. Apolgise to anyone I missed as they were still arriving when I left! Barry Taylor was unable to attend but wanted me to mention he is organising a Blues Festival later in the year and anyone interested please contact him.

Sarah Harvey…..Fantastic afternoon at the SMART get-together on Friday and thank you Alan for organising it. The diversity of musical memories that I heard was fascinating. Wonderful people with such interesting backgrounds.

Tony Qunta….Sounds like fun! Sorry I couldn’t be there. Hope to make it to one of these meetings one of these days!

Mick O’Dowd….I can only echo previous comments. Full marks to Alan’s organising abilities. Nice to see yet more new faces and if it carries on like this we might be hiring the New Pier Ballroom for our meets! Fantastic atmosphere and a chance to put faces to the names seen on the web page and Facebook. Roll on the next!

SMART 7 Coffee Meet report

SMART 7 great turn out at the White Rock Hotel last Friday and a massive part of the Hastings music history was on display for all to see. Thanks to Mick Mepham the tables were piled high with various posters from the pier gigs and other venues. He also finally showed us the very rare dustbin lid from ‘Stackridge’. Tony Qunta came over from Maidstone with a cd of ‘Factory’ songs which he hopes to put on the internet in the near future. Some great stories and cuttings of him playing with ‘Head On’, ‘Johnny Mars Band’ and ‘Kabbala’ and more.  Roger Carey arrived with more bags of goodies including cuttings from ‘A Minute Passed’ , ‘Hat Trick’ , ‘Felix’ and others, plus gig tickets and business cards. We have talked about his fashion sense in the passed and interestingly the reason he wore white on stage back in the 70’s was he thought Bill Nelson from ‘Be Bop Deluxe’  looked cool dressed in white. He also had us all laughing with his mimics. Great to see Andy Gunton join us. He does a brilliant job in supporting live music and has various interesting projects coming up. Please check out his website pierlessmusic.co.uk which now has the great slogan ‘from Hastings to the world’. A new couple joined us and were talking about the memories of The Black Horse and ‘The Telham Tinkers’. Jon McCallion has now put the ‘Muller’ record Fooling Around on You Tube. Mick O’Dowd is still looking for photos of ‘The Likes Of Us’ and ‘Morning Dew’ featuring Pete Horton. Chat from Andre Martin included correcting some of the recent comments on The Black Cat & Pam Dor coffee bars. His history and memory on the town is amazing and constatly surprises us with rare cuttings from his collection. He also noticed in Mick Mepham’s archives  a contract for Mick’s band ‘Essence’ who played their first pier gig back in 1974 for £10.00 and the code on the contract proved that I booked them. Lots of pier talk from Anita & Ray Medhurst and Barry Taylor gave us more info on the Sex Pistols gig. Other chat was about Gary Moore, Sparks, Vinegar Joe, Shakatak, Genesis, Arthur Brown recent tv interview, Brian Johnson from AC/DC singing Nutbush City Limits at his audition, Titch Turner playing St Marys in The Castle in December and more.

Mick Mepham….Cracking afternoon Alan, well organized mate.

Andrey Palfrey-martin….The amount of information and evidence that keeps coming out is really excellent.

Mick O’Dowd….Just want to say how much I enjoyed the friday meet at the White Rock Hotel yesterday. This was the best ever in my opinion. Old faces, new faces. Great stuff! I think we all ought to thank Alan for doing such a brilliant job organising these dos and the web and Facebook pages. Well done Alan!

Tony Qunta….Great afternoon! See you all at the next one!

Pete Prescott….gutted i couldnt make it.stuck working ! willl get to the next one.

Yvonne Cleland….Same as that!