Hastings bus Maidstone & District and timetable memories from Sarah Harvey

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Sarah Harvey… I have just acquired this model, probably more for nostalgia and the fact that I caught a lot of local buses like this when I was a kid. The Leyland Atlantean / Metro Cammell in Maidstone & District livery and displaying the Service No. 151. It was introduced in Hastings in 1961. The 151, alongside the 133 was one of the mainstay bus routes serving Hastings. I have also attached a page from the 1964 bus timetable. Not sure the 31 minutes end to end timings could be maintained nowadays 🤔Their rough equivalents to day are the 20 and 22 respectively. If you have lived in Hastings much of your life, did you ever catch one of these?

Peter Fairless… That’s brilliant, Sarah

Martin Richter… the 133 – a ha’penny from Bohemia to the town as a nipper 🙂 (but usually free!)

Geoff Peckham… Being a Bexhillian I rode the 156 or the 157 to and from school from Glyne Gap. My Nan lived in Turkey Rd where they turned round, so I used them to get there, and of course for trips to Hastings or the College. Well found, Sarah. x

Colin Bell… Oh yes, some fond memories here Sarah x

Tony Court-holmes… i loved Fremlins bitter

Paul Phillips… 151 was that the downs farm bus ..i lived Churchill Avenue 133 route and 157

Andy Gunton… Strangest train I’ve ever seen

Sarah Harvey… Oooo train-spotters / bus spotters, all part of the same family of species

Patrick Lewis… 151 and 133 frequently-our life line to downtown Hastings and St Leonard’s.

Sid Saunders… This was the first bus I drove in service at the start of my 34 years in Hastings in 1972.

Marcus de Mowbray… Many journeys between Sevenoaks and Maidstone on those!

Jim Breeds… The 133 from/to King’s Head near to where I lived was my mainstay, but the 151 was a reasonable substitute if I didn’t mind the walk from Down Farm estate to home.

Nigel Sherwood… Used to get 133 from the gas showrooms up to school at Elphinstone

Roger Carey… Living on the Ridge /edge of town, the main bus for us was the 155 circular route- for school and town trips. Remember seeing 133s on trips to Silverhill where my school mate Philip Till lived. Also the 76 which went down the (to me, then) incredibly long St Helen’s Road. In my very young years I thought the song “76 trombones” was about that bus and road!

Lucy Pappas… used the 128 and the 134, both of them single decker xx

Harry Randall… Used to live in Upper Glen road so caught the 151 either way at the Victoria Inn or walked up or down the hill to catch the 133 I’m so old I go back to the tram days!

John Busbridge… The 151 used to go to town via London Road I think and the 133 the same but via Bohemia road?

Andre Martin… Yes they were both our of Silverhill Depot [old trolley depot] and were basically Council Estate to Council Estate. 151 went via London Road and Memorial,Fishmarket, Harold Road, 133 Cambridge Road Memorial,Queens Road, Mount Pleasant, St Helens Hospt, Churchill Ave or Ore and Down Road. If I remember about every 10 mins in day and 20 mins at night.

Sandra Bryant… much more frequent in those days. My Dad used to drive Atlanteans.

Phil Thornton… I remember the 156 !

Nicola Dobson… My grandfather drove the buses and my uncle too

Chris Meachen… We used to take the mick out of wannabe bikers.. “what bike have you got, M&D 133?” I used to catch that service quite frequently when without my own transport..

Jane Hartley… 133 was my bus home.

John Gale… I remember the 133. Use to catch it from The Fortune of War to town and back, later became the 433. Great photos.

Jeff Chuzz Balcombe… yep both of them the 133 & the 151, used to live in Old Church Road, they was nearly always on time, plus if you missed one you knew you didn’t have to wait too long for the next one.

Mick O’Dowd… When did M& D stop serving Hastings? I also remember East Kent that had single deckers that were more like coaches and very comfortable.

Paul Phillips… yes i remember them Mick had comfy leather seats..service was from town centre to Rye..had bus station on ridge where Alsford Timber is now

Alan Wood… Nice …same bus that came through Robertsbridge but numbered no5, happy days, used to go upstairs with my gran to have a smoke !!

Edward Adams… had a bus garage in Ore where b & q was

Nigel Ford… Rode one for 50 minutes twice a school day for 5 years from Netherfield Hill to Bexhill Grammar, Turkey Road via Sedlescombe / Silverhill progressing from downstairs front to back seat top playing my Ferguson tranny with Radio1 on for the last 3 years to the joy of many. It started from Woods Corner, Dallington, PRIVATE “B”. Similar “A” bus ran from Burwash via Crowhurst, highlight of our days as only contact we had with the girls as schools still separated then.

David Nattress… Well, like Geoff I’m a Bexhillian and do remember the Maidstone and District buses very well and Southdown? so the trolley buses around Bexhill and Hastings – not sure if these were M & D – anyway, one of those things I remember vividly was this. I recall as a young lad taking the family dog down to Bexhill seafront one particular day. It was low tide and the dog decided to eat parts of a starfish or two. For some reason – tiredness/laziness I decided to get the bus back home from the Marina. I sat right near the back, dog on the lead sitting on the entrance bit by the rear door. Suddenly the dog “honked up” the bits of starfish all over the landing floor and just as the conductor came down the stairs and upon seeing the mess threw me and the dog off at the next stop.

Lynn Graham… 151, that’s the bus I used to catch home. Stopped at the Tivoli and I’d walk to Lewis Road from there.

Martin Richter… I remember the 133 had a bizarre route – get on in queen’s rd – up castle street – around the fountain and back down to cambridge road ?

Peter Houghton… I remember the 156 i think it went frim Sidley where i caught it at Springfield to go to the old town down then down sea Rd to Bexhill then back up sea Rd to Hastings

Nick Rowland… I used to live in Lower Maze Hill and often travelled to Hastings Town Centre and back to Christchurch.

Ralph Town… I’d love one. Is it a 1/50 scale or the smaller efe 1/72 scale? I might have had one in the past but can’t remember if it was a 151.

Cliff Wootton… Used to catch the 151 every week for music lessons from Harold Road (near the Clive Vale reservoirs) all the way up to Tower Road school just short of Silverhill.

Nigel Ford… I’ve just won one on ebay for under £8 posted…. EFE 1/76th scale, gonna have to make some PRIVATE B destination signs for it. I’ll get another and give it to my best man and his wife who both were on the bus with me though for only 4 years, though I must seek out some SHEPHERD NEAME side posters for it rather than FREMLINS as he was a regular in the Abbey Hotel, Battle which was a SH/N pub. Oh! ….and I forgot to mention there was rivalry between the A & B buses. If we should ever get close to each other during the journeys (only possible at Battle & from Harley Shute Rd to the school gates) there would be foul chants of 4 letter words and mass pronging of the fingers from us on the top decks…!!!

Hawklords – The Carlisle, Hastings – November 5th, 2017 review by Sarah Harvey

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I make no secret of the fact that I like nothing about bonfire and firework season and when the chance to go and see some legendary space-rockers in my home town of Hastings on November 5th presented itself, it was the ideal escape.This particular concert at The Carlisle had been advertised months before in many national prog rock forums and gig guides although having seen no real advertising locally for it up two weeks before I started to wonder if it was actually going to happen. I personally only noticed a poster appearing about 10 days beforehand and this lack of publicity probably goes some way to explaining an attendance lower than I expected.

For those who are not aware of the history of the Hawklords, they were originally active between 1978 and 1979 and were formed of members of Hawkwind, who were inactive during that period, namely Robert Calvert on vocals, Dave Brock on guitar and Simon King on drums. They were joined by Harvey Bainbridge on bass and Martin Griffin on drums who were both from a local Devon group named Ark. The band was completed by the addition of former Pilot keyboardist Steve Swindells. In 1978, the band released their first full studio album 25 Years On and as far as I am aware, the band last appeared in Hastings on 25 November 1978 as part of their 42 date UK tour in October and November of that year. In 2008 a new Hawklords formed around bass player Harvey Bainbridge and ex-Hawkwind vocalist Ron Tree, who were joined by drummer Dave Pearce (ex-Bevis Frond), guitarist and keyboard player Jerry Richards, and bassist Tom Ashurst. Apart from Ron Tree who had mysteriously gone absent before the start of the tour, this was the line-up the appeared at The Carlisle.

The set began with a piece called ‘Out Of Phase’. Having seen Hawkwind earlier in the year at Folkestone, I could have been forgiven for thinking this was Part Two of that concert because this was Space Rock in its purest form. If you asked me to define Space Rock I am not sure I could do it… apart from its spaceship like electronic noises acting as a backdrop… it is just one of those rock genres that you just know it when you hear it. Jerry Richards supplied the wonderful driving guitar chords and licks in typical space-rock fashion and was more than capable of providing the band’s lead vocals. As frontman for the band he also provided some humorous wit throughout his introductions. Bassist Tom Ashurst looks the youngest member of the band, and along with drummer Dave Pearce they supplied the gritty strength that the music demanded from its backing. Harvey Bainbridge looked like the mad professor at his keyboards and his witty vocal accompaniment to ‘Whisperer’s Downfall’, a track from their latest album, rather reinforced this for me. Indeed, having whispered to my friend Chrissy Brand standing next to me regarding my observations during the song, I became the subject of Harvey’s vocals…..’Look, she’s whispering’. It was like being caught in the act by teacher! Rather interestingly throughout the gig, I became aware of a number of recognisable musicians around me and it seems that Hastings has somewhat become a bit of a magnet in music terms. Members of Bevis Frond, Liam Glenocky (Steeleye Span) and Adrian (Ade) Shaw (ex- Hawkwind, Country Joe McDonald, Arthur Brown, and the Deviants.) took their place in the audience alongside me. The members of Bevis Frond were clearly there in support of their ex-drummer Dave Pearce, and towards the end of the set Adrian Shaw made an appearance on bass during ‘Flight’. The set had an interesting mix of older and newer compositions although I only detected ‘Free Fall’ as a remnant from their earliest days and curiously only ‘Ghost In My Machine’, ‘Whisperer’s Downfall’, ‘New Space’ from their most recent release (Hawklords Six). Also included in the set were a few cover versions ‘The Right Stuff’ (Robert Calvert song) and ‘Coded Languages’ (Hawkwind). Tom Mahler’s psychedelic lighting produced the ideal backdrop whilst Joe Rytlewski took charge of the sound, which all resulted in a kaleidoscope of intergalactic audio pleasure.

So all in all, a thoroughly entertaining evening that provided the perfect alternative to rockets of a different, and rather less attractive variety. I had said earlier that I had seen Hawkwind earlier in the year and found it a thoroughly enjoyable concert. To see Hawklords as some sort of poor-man’s Hawkwind would be an insult to them because to my delight I found Hawklords equally enjoyable with an equally enjoyable variety of space rock. Whilst I am no nearer to defining space rock after seeing The Hawklords, I continue to stand by my theory that I will always know it when I hear and see it. I certainly heard and saw it on Guy Fawkes night …. it is alive and kicking and in good hands with The Hawklords.                              Sarah Harvey – November 2017

Dave Nattress… As with your review of Curved Air Sarah, I found this review really entertaining, a great read. Makes me wish I’d been there. My (known), or self-acknowledged space-rock experience is pretty much confined to Hawkwind from the several pier gigs and festival appearances. One festival at Nutley many, many, years ago there was a band called Amon Din (I think), who I think may have had some association with Amon Duul but then maybe they just had a contrived name. I don’t know though on reflection I must have some space rock in the collection somewhere. For sure, I’ll dust off “In Search of Space” later for starters. It will be a dust off as I only have it on vinyl. I might even try and read the log again. What about some Flaming Lips, is that spacey – don’t mention him, or just weird?
Scott Turner…  ace group thank you Sarah Harvey .

Arrows – Hastings Pier 23rd August 1975

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Sarah Harvey… This day August 23rd, 1975. The Arrows at Hastings Pier. Also take a look at next week….Joe Loss and his Orchestra….not to mention the wrestling legend Mick McManus.

Mick O’Dowd… Worked on this one. The Arrows were a real nice wholesome bunch of americans & a pleasure to meet.

Mark Randall… I have a feeling that the Randall tribe, led by ol’ Ma Randall were at the wrestling match

Alan Esdaile… Above is the promo photo I still got, when we worked with the band. They also had the original hit with I love rock n roll which went on to be a bigger hit for Joan Jett.

Mark Randall… I recall their 4:25 pm TV show

Peter Fairless… They loved rock’n’roll, you know?

Alan Esdaile… Everyone thinks that Joan Jett’s version was the original Peter but this came out a few years earlier and I’m sure Arrows wrote it.

Peter Fairless… Yes, Alan, it was written by Arrows bandmates, Alan Merrill and Jake Hooker, originally as a ‘B’ side but, as so often in those days, it got flipped. They had two big hits, the other was ‘Touch Too Much’, Although they were on RAK, I always thought they were a serious act.

Jon Martin… I was there then

Liz Turner… So was i

Julie Morris… Me too!

Jo Turner… Yup I was with Liz Turner

Liz Turner… Why on earth did I fancy them!!

Julie Morris… Lead singer was very pretty Liz! Just looked up – the other two are dead!

Andy Qunta… Actually I’m more impressed with the wrestling bill! (No offence to the Arrows of course!)

Alan Esdaile… Perhaps Smokie cancelled as they were not happy with their name being spelt wrong.

Spooky Tooth – Hastings Pier 6th July 1968

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Sarah Harvey… Spooky Tooth formed in October 1967 and played on the pier on July 6th, 1968. 1969’s Spooky Two LP was the last album release by the original lineup. It included the song “Better By You, Better Than Me”, which was covered by Judas Priest on their 1978 release Stained Class. Many different line-ups for Spooky Tooth but after the original lin-up split in 1970, the band reformed in September 1972 with a different line-up. The best known member of these line-ups (from March 1973 to September 1974) was Mick Jones (guitar / vocals), later in Foreigner. Also from February — May 1974, Mike Patto (vocals) who replaced Harrison for the 1974 release The Mirror. The group then split again in November 1974.

Alan Esdaile… I remember Die Laughing doing a great version of Better By You Better Than Me.

Mick O’Dowd… I’ve only just caught up with them i’m afraid to say. Their version of “I Am The Walrus” is a blaster and being a bit of a “purist” that is saying something.

John Storer… Sarah, you forgot to mention Gary Wright …. he was the principal songwriter, went on to have a worldwide solo hit with “Dream Weaver” and reformed the band in 2004 for a successful tour. He has also been one of the mainstays of Ringo Starr’s backing band

Sarah Harvey… Hey John…..good spot! Sorry for the omission. Will be doing a Spooky compilation on my Hastings Pier Music Show in the early Spring. 🙂

Nigel Ford… And what about Bassist Greg Ridley, ‘ went on to join Humble Pie at the request of Steve Marriott! “Better by Better than me” was also in the set done by Maidstone band Krishna Kudu at the Battle dances.

Robert Searle… Did anyone mention Luther Grosvener,i think thats how you spell his name,on lead guitar. He left to join Mott the Hoople as Ariel Bender..

Bernard Tiltman… I can’t remember Spooky Tooth at Hastings Pier but I can remember them playing Hastings College. I was there from 1965 to 1970 so it could have been anytime between 67-70. Still remember them as one of the best if not the best live bands I have ever seen.

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More from Samisen 1976

Sarah Harvey… I have received some lovely comments about the recording I made with my first band Samisen, which is really nice….so here is another one from my musical past and another from the 1970s….I am often quite shy about posting these things up because I ain’t one for making a song and dance about things…. but here goes anyway! I definitely wrote the main riff for this one!! Its another prog rock offering, this time an instrumental and a prog thrashy one called ‘Commercial Cash-In’. Another one that I may re-work one day and perhaps perform…. if I can find anyone who wants a go at it. Its SAMISEN again. I think this one was recorded at Ore Centre in 1976!! ‘I have no idea why I called it ‘Commercial Cash-In’. Its prog rock….. what do you expect…. anything goes
– Sarah Harvey (Lead Guitar – Happy Maureens)
– Ralphy (Rhythm Guitar and backing vocals)
– Bernie Smirnoff (Drums – Kingbathmat)
– Conan Howard (Bass Guitar)
Just remember, its 1976…. reel-to-reel tape…. I am still proud of it and love the people I have been in down the years, and proud of the band I currently play with, The Happy Maureens.

Pete Fisher… sounds great Sarah! The wonders of reel to reel tape! Sounds similar to the recordings I did on reel to reel back in ’72-’74 – that wonderful rehearsal room reverb, and of course the same noisy drummer…some great guitar happening here too though…a real feast of good riffs!

Sarah Harvey… Thanks Pete. Coincidentally I thought about you and Pueblo playing in the 70s. My current band this weekend have been asked to play at Bexhill Community centre at a function in October and my thoughts went back to you Roger Carey and Bernie playing there at their Youth Club. Really happy memories and some great tunes you played along with some great musicianship, not always appreciated by the youthful attendees that night…… but I loved it

Pete Fisher… You’re welcome Sarah! Nice that you have such good memories of us back then…we were a very raw outfit, probably under-rehearsed and still lacking confidence in front of audiences – lot of strong competition around back then…I actually still have a “little red book” full of lyrics and chord charts, but also a kind of gig diary for Mae West and Pueblo. When I get a few spare minutes I’ll scan it and post it here!

Conan Howard… Conan here, I seem to remember this tune went on for at least 20 minutes , with slow bits and fast bits.. what a journey that number was at the time. probably a good idea to wind it up short of the ejaculation point